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Solving time 7:18

You'll have guessed by now that today is the centenary of the birth of John Betjeman. I'm pretty sure I know which Times setter is a big JB fan. I'd like to see a few more Times puzzles like this, even though I probably don't know enough JB to get all the jokes in this one.

For a while now, I've had a puzzle of my own in the works. You can try it here. I invented my own grid, but otherwise it's intended to be roughly in the Times style, maybe on the difficult side. Let me know what you think - maybe by e-mail if you want to go into detail.

Across
5SLOUGH - 2 mngs, ref. "Come, friendly bombs, and fall on Slough / It isn't fit for humans now"
9NINE=square,TIES=games - cricket batsmen got through the "nervous nineties" just before scoring a century.
15ULEMA - hidden word
20JOHN BETJEMAN - anag. of J,J,both,Anne,me. Don't know when JB called himself a hack but I can imagine it.
26TENNER = "tenor" - JB's autobiog. was of course "Summoned by Bells"
27PROD,ROME - I haven't bothered to look it up, but I guess a prodrome is like a syndrome.

Down
1CONK - 2 meanings
3MET,ROLAND
7UNBEATABLE - letter swap in unbearable
8Joan HUNTER-DUNN - "furnished and burnished by Aldershot sun" etc.
11TAXI,NSPECTOR = anag. of cops rent
13OUT OF JOINT - ref. quote from Hamlet
14LE(a)DER,(c)HOSEN
17BOMBARDED - cryptic def. referring to same poem as 5.
23(v)ESSE(l)


Jumbo 657: 20:58 - Jumbos seem a bit dull these days - I'm sure there were a few with themes a few years ago - all of Jane Austen's novel titles in one grid, for example. Puzzles like this are just more of the same stuff as the cryptic - especially when, like today's, the grid uses no entries longer than 15 letters. (Or the themes are too subtle for me to notice...)

Guardian has another posthumous Bunthorne today - not yet tried.

Comments

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(Anonymous)
Aug. 28th, 2006 03:45 pm (UTC)
17d, 28.8.06
Subsidiary indicators BARD in DEMOB (rev.)
petebiddlecombe
Aug. 28th, 2006 08:06 pm (UTC)
Re: 17d, 28.8.06
Quite so - I should have looked harder.
mr_babbage
Aug. 28th, 2006 05:03 pm (UTC)
A good puzzle - I too would like to see more use of special landmarks and occasions. There were some nice clues too - being a maths man I liked the numbers clues at 9 Across and 4 Down particularly. I think 11 Down might be in because Betjeman was once offered a job as a Tax Inspector.

Sadly the clues on the edge did for me:

The bottom-right corner of 27 Across and 23 Down were both new to me and I didn't get them.

I would grumble about 8 Down somewhat. Near impossible if you haven't heard of the reference (I guessed DUNN might be right but H-N-E- could be lots of things) and there's only 240-odd Google hits for it (as opposited to 9,000+ for the Slough reference).
petebiddlecombe
Aug. 28th, 2006 08:10 pm (UTC)
PRODROME was new to me, but I think I've seen the (v)ESSE(l) trick or something very like it before. In 8, if over = "done" = DUNN, the H?N?E? must be a horse, which should eliminate most if not all the dud options.
mr_babbage
Aug. 28th, 2006 09:00 pm (UTC)
True, but DUN is a (grey-brown) horse also which furthers the confusion, unfortunately.
(Anonymous)
Aug. 28th, 2006 05:56 pm (UTC)
Times jumbos
You could ask a setter, but I guess it must be much harder to get a really good thematic going - a) because the grids are smaller, b) because the grids are fixed. And if there aren't many long answers, I agree that the jumbo tends to lose its distinctiveness of style
ilanc
Aug. 29th, 2006 10:58 am (UTC)
hack
Wikipedia's Betjeman entry has the hack reference: "...who described himself in Who's Who as a "poet and hack"
(Anonymous)
Sep. 3rd, 2006 12:57 pm (UTC)
23 isn't ESSE, but ISLE - from 'IS' meaning 'being' and 'LE' from middLE, the 'isle' being the superstructure found on a ship.
petebiddlecombe
Sep. 3rd, 2006 02:56 pm (UTC)
ISLE?
I can assure you that the correct answer is ESSE. Neither isle nor island is recorded as having the meaning you mentioned in any of the dictionaries used as references for the Times puzzle.
(Anonymous)
Sep. 4th, 2006 10:37 pm (UTC)
Well, you say tomato...

I don't care what the sniffy Times counts as a dictionary. My dictionary, (which seems to have every other word, but curiously doesn't have 'esse'), gives 'island' and its shortened form 'isle' as nautical terms for the superstructure and bridge on a ship.

I agree that your answer also works - and perhaps you'll be a gentleman and acknowledge that mine does too. Thank you, sir.
petebiddlecombe
Sep. 5th, 2006 10:03 am (UTC)
I've now found this meaning of "island" in Webster's 3rd New International, so let's look at whether this clue can lead to ISLE (after all, Times solvers are supposed to be reasonably well-educated people living off their wits rather than looking things up in dictionaries).

If the clue is not a cryptic def., double def., or &lit., it must consist of definition and wordplay which account for the whole clue except the odd linking word, and do not overlap. Quick reminder of the clue: "Being in middle of ship (4)".

For the wordplay, you say "IS meaning being" and "LE from middLE". Assuming you think "in middle" provides the LE, that leaves you with "of ship" as the definition. No cryptic setter should expect you to get from "of ship" to "the superstructure of a ship" - it's a hopelessly inadequate definition. Even if you were to allow def. and wordplay to overlap, there isn't enough anywhere in this clue to give you a fair def'n for this meaning of 'island'.

Looking at the wordplay in more detail... For what it's worth, I'd say that IS doesn't mean 'being'. Try this rule of thumb: can you invent a sentence where you can swap "is" and "being" without changing the meaning or producing nonsense? I don't think you can. For the sort of 'synonym substitutions' used in clues, this kind of swap should be possible. Getting "LE" from "in middLE": I don't think you'll ever see the Times using just "in XXXX" to mean "some part of XXXX", especially one of the ends.

Conclusion: once you properly understand how cryptic clues work, especially the ones used in Times puzzles, ISLE cannot possibly be the answer to this clue.
(Anonymous)
Sep. 5th, 2006 10:43 am (UTC)
As a third party, I can see where he (or she) is coming from. If something is "being" then it simply "is"; philosophical but true. And you can hardly argue that "LE" isn't "in middle"! My Concise Oxford English Dictionary only lists ISLAND as the nautical term for a ship's bridge. Maybe the failure to list ISLE as the same is the flaw (but the COED doesn't seem have ESSE either). Agreed ESSE is the answer but I like the way he/she is thinking. My ha'penny, spent. Onwards!
petebiddlecombe
Sep. 5th, 2006 11:13 am (UTC)
Using your imagination and thinking laterally is fine and necessary. But any clue needs a definition, and the lack of an adequate one for "isle" should confirm immediately that it's a dud answer. The "would they do this?" side of things has to come from experience, so that's harder to rely on. (I checked my Concise Oxford (10th ed) again, and it lacks this meaning for island/isle. Maybe they've added it in a more recent edition. It does have "esse" though.)
(Anonymous)
Sep. 13th, 2006 06:00 pm (UTC)
So #1 across (the state /disaster clue) was...?
petebiddlecombe
Sep. 13th, 2006 06:44 pm (UTC)
... CAL.,AMITY
(Anonymous)
Sep. 15th, 2006 05:56 pm (UTC)
Oops! And thanks! I see the cryptics go in for a lot of abbreviation. I'll try to keep my guard up in the future.
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